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[phunkmasterd]

You would need the crv side mount as well.

The 2.4 mount right??... or the 2.0 :scratch:

[phunkmasterd]

Honda OEM parts are bought from companies under contract and are subject to very strict quality control and testing proceedures.

Aftermarket companies are not. Simples.

So can they handle as many ponies then?

[pulpmelon_r]

Honda OEM parts are bought from companies under contract and are subject to very strict quality control and testing proceedures.

Aftermarket companies are not. Simples.

So can they handle as many ponies then?

They handle their intended perpose, and work within the original design parameters perfectly. You can push any OEM part with varying success.

[phunkmasterd]

well i have just had my pal from honda come bck and say he can fix my K20 for around £400...i still want to go through with the swap though as im not being charged labour and my current engine has done 112K miles...what to do :scratch:

[phunkmasterd]

so if i want to over engineer my block so i can freely over rev the powerband ... what do i need to upgrade?

[conalmcn]

so if i want to over engineer my block so i can freely over rev the powerband ... what do i need to upgrade?

depends on how highly you want to rev, forged pistons and rods anyway and an oil pump to suit revving higher I'm not sure about how the chain/tensioners hold up you'd need to investigate more.

[phunkmasterd]

Honda OEM parts are bought from companies under contract and are subject to very strict quality control and testing proceedures.

Aftermarket companies are not. Simples.

So can they handle as many ponies then?

They handle their intended perpose, and work within the original design parameters perfectly. You can push any OEM part with varying success.

This is where i get confused .. Pulp can you throw anymore light on this?

[andy18s]

What he means is you can push a stock motor to over 500bhp... How long the motor stays in 1 piece in another story.

You can fit all the aftermarket goodies you want and make massive power... Rods, pistons cams etc. You must just remember though every motor is a ticking timebomb and highly modified ones tend to have a really short fuse;)

Hence why I went all oem... All the power I could possibly need plus Mr Honda's reliabilty factor is a win win in my books.

To put it into perspective, With my stock block, Stock head setup with bolts ons, i was overtaking 135i's, 335i's, s3's and manage to stick on the new exige's backside on the straights at a trackday this past weekend.

Couldn't expect more from a little n/a civic :WOOT

[phunkmasterd]

so if i want to rev to 9000rpm is it the springs and retainers i need to replace or the pistons and the rods?

I need to get a new tensioner as that is what broke in the K20 but i dont know if on the swap i need to use the K24 chain and tensioner?

[pulpmelon_r]

Andy pretty much hit the nail on the head there.

so if i want to rev to 9000rpm is it the springs and retainers i need to replace or the pistons and the rods?

I need to get a new tensioner as that is what broke in the K20 but i dont know if on the swap i need to use the K24 chain and tensioner?

If i'm honest, I think you should just go OEM and leave it alone bro. Just buy a full bottom end / complete motor, if it has less than 80k on it - keep the existing tct and chain.

[conalmcn]

so if i want to rev to 9000rpm is it the springs and retainers i need to replace or the pistons and the rods?

I need to get a new tensioner as that is what broke in the K20 but i dont know if on the swap i need to use the K24 chain and tensioner?

go to k20a.org and search through the threads on there. Some really interesting topics such as forged/cast pistons.

[phunkmasterd]

cheers!

[phunkmasterd]

If i use an automatic k24 block, i have been informed i will need a crankshaft spigot bearing.. can i use the one from my K20?

[phunkmasterd]

-UPDATE-

Well finding a K24 is like looking for a fart i a Jacuzzi !! :scratch:

I might manage to lay my hands on one that has done less than 30k miles this week. Its a manual petrol K24A3 complete engine, I already have a new K20 head to go on it and my existing engine is ready to be pulled apart for doner parts.

Now it all comes down to cost but im toying with getting forged internals just so i can rev higher even if it doesnt create more power, I will re-engage the rev limiter on my K-pro but just want extra safety. I will contact TDi to get their thoughts on the matter and a price for parts.

I want to try and do as much of this myself before handing it to someone to install and tune simply to get the price down. When I start to pull the car apart I will update this thread with issues I encounter and photos to help anyone else who is thinking of doing this.

[pulpmelon_r]

This should help out:

http://www.civictype-r.co.uk/forum/view ... 3&t=242418

[Graham27]

Whats the obsession with revving higher? Even with standard internals it will rev to the same as your k20 does. More revs = more trouble and money for no gain in my opinion...

[phunkmasterd]

Whats the obsession with revving higher? Even with standard internals it will rev to the same as your k20 does. More revs = more trouble and money for no gain in my opinion...

Hi Graham,

I have been informed by many others that because of the stroke rate being too high you shouldnt rev past 7800, the k20 is different as its a square block and so can rev higher as the stroke is shorter.

I dont want to rev high but build to last, have the ability to rev to 9k like on my k20 but this time set the limiter at 8200 or there abouts just to add a greater safety buffer

[phunkmasterd]

This should help out:

http://www.civictype-r.co.uk/forum/view ... 3&t=242418

Im going to sound like i love you .. but once again you have come up good in my time of need!

[Graham27]

Ive covered over 10k miles on my k24 which is all oem and rev limiter is 8k ish and had absolutely no problems - thats only 500 ish more revs than the rev limit on the Accord the bottom end came from, not a great deal at all! Especially with the better oil pump from the ep3 retained

[phunkmasterd]

Well thats great news and good to hear, im buying an engine tomorrow that has done 28k for £850 with 6 months warranty.. i just want the rev proof engine like I had in my K20